When will fighting be gone???


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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:55 am

It is gone. Now you give the guy a kiss, or the tongue. Happy now??
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:36 am

Fighting ended when blindside hits and hacking at players hands became all the rave
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:52 pm

The NHL’s position on concussions and it’s impact on players is redundant. The fact that they allow bare knuckle fighting on ice makes anything they say a joke. You can’t have both. The two posters above are ignorant and their attitude enables the conversation to remain stagnant and ineffective.

All those names are the sad reality of the current state of affairs in the NHL. Kids watch those guys, idolize them, want to be them, want to play like them and are therefore conditioned to honk this is ok. Coaches and/or parents like the two posters above are impediments to moving forward.

Hockey is so backwards and this is a huge glaring example of it’s ineptitude to address real issues, issues that have an impact at all levels.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:59 pm

why does fighting need to stay? How does it contribute to the game? What is the rationale for allowing fighting in this game but not in any other game?
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:05 pm

Guest wrote:why does fighting need to stay? How does it contribute to the game? What is the rationale for allowing fighting in this game but not in any other game?



There is absolutely no reason for it being part of the game. It contributes only negative. It’s sole purpose is to hurt and intimidate! The only rationale why it’s still in the game is because the piers that be are still part of the old guard, are afraid of people who are stuck in the past, are ignorant of and in denial of it’s negative effects on players, and an insistence that somehow hockey is different from other sports. The other reality is that the fastest growing feeder to the NHL, the NCAA, has no fighting.

There is no justification for it still being here.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:05 pm

I disagree with ^^^ you. While it is a great shame that these players have suffered the way they have, lets look at all the other players who have not suffered in such a way, who have also played the game the way these guys did. Worse yet, lets look how the game has changed more for the negative with the severe reduction in fighting.

Now that fighting is all but gone, Slashing, Blindside Hits, Dirty Hits and Head Shots are all on the rise as infractions. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to why? Answer - the player who levies one of these penalties on an opponent has no fear of repercussion from his action. Sitting in the penalty box or paying a fine or a few games suspension does nothing to HURT the perpetrators of such penalties. The removal of fighting from the game actually allows these guys to do more damage to good players and potentially shorten the careers of the better players.

Bobby Orr is a great example - his career cut short based on knee injuries that were the result of dirty hits and vicious slashes through the years. Do you think he would have lasted that long in the NHL without the help of some fighters to protect him? Answer - hot a hope.

Fear of reprisal is a great motivator and removal of that motivator is resulting in a much dirtier game where players have less and less respect for each other.

Is this what we really want?
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:14 pm

Guest wrote:It is gone. Now you give the guy a kiss, or the tongue. Happy now??



Are you saying you want fighting brought back?!!

Did any of those names posted earlier strike a chord with you? Does the reality of concussions and it’s impact on players from novice to pro men’s anything to you?

In my opinion your post is a slap in the face to the players listed above and disrespectful of their stories and history of suffering.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:17 pm

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Guest wrote:It is gone. Now you give the guy a kiss, or the tongue. Happy now??



Are you saying you want fighting brought back?!!

Did any of those names posted earlier strike a chord with you? Does the reality of concussions and it’s impact on players from novice to pro men’s anything to you?

In my opinion your post is a slap in the face to the players listed above and disrespectful of their stories and history of suffering.


Your opinion is of little value to me as it is based on an alarmist point of view.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:06 pm

Guest wrote:I disagree with ^^^ you. While it is a great shame that these players have suffered the way they have, lets look at all the other players who have not suffered in such a way, who have also played the game the way these guys did. Worse yet, lets look how the game has changed more for the negative with the severe reduction in fighting.

Now that fighting is all but gone, Slashing, Blindside Hits, Dirty Hits and Head Shots are all on the rise as infractions. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to why? Answer - the player who levies one of these penalties on an opponent has no fear of repercussion from his action. Sitting in the penalty box or paying a fine or a few games suspension does nothing to HURT the perpetrators of such penalties. The removal of fighting from the game actually allows these guys to do more damage to good players and potentially shorten the careers of the better players.

Bobby Orr is a great example - his career cut short based on knee injuries that were the result of dirty hits and vicious slashes through the years. Do you think he would have lasted that long in the NHL without the help of some fighters to protect him? Answer - hot a hope.

Fear of reprisal is a great motivator and removal of that motivator is resulting in a much dirtier game where players have less and less respect for each other.

Is this what we really want?


Slashing is rarely called. If the game was called more robotically instead of "letting the players play" then there would be fewer injuries and dirty hits. Problem is that the rules are not enforced. There's a fear that it will slow the game down too much and people want to see hits. Nothing is wrong with a clean hit - but a big clean hit is not the same as a dirty hit although both can injure a player. Right now opposing teams treat them as the same thing.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:07 pm

It will be gone when people dont stand up when a fight starts and cheer, or search you tube for fights or talk about the fight rather than the goals scored at work the next day.

When people dont line up for Wendal Clark's autograph but line up for some dude who got 2 PIMS in his career

Face it some in society love to watch violent events...they are willing to pay after tax dollars to go and watch and businesses are willing to pay people to do it and media is willing to broadcast it and companies are willing to advertise on it

If people who oppose it want something different then they can fund it like any other business venture...just like the WHA challenged the NHL

It will be gone when it ceases to be part of the business case
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:52 pm

Guest wrote:I disagree with ^^^ you. While it is a great shame that these players have suffered the way they have, lets look at all the other players who have not suffered in such a way, who have also played the game the way these guys did. Worse yet, lets look how the game has changed more for the negative with the severe reduction in fighting.

Now that fighting is all but gone, Slashing, Blindside Hits, Dirty Hits and Head Shots are all on the rise as infractions. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to why? Answer - the player who levies one of these penalties on an opponent has no fear of repercussion from his action. Sitting in the penalty box or paying a fine or a few games suspension does nothing to HURT the perpetrators of such penalties. The removal of fighting from the game actually allows these guys to do more damage to good players and potentially shorten the careers of the better players.

Bobby Orr is a great example - his career cut short based on knee injuries that were the result of dirty hits and vicious slashes through the years. Do you think he would have lasted that long in the NHL without the help of some fighters to protect him? Answer - hot a hope.

Fear of reprisal is a great motivator and removal of that motivator is resulting in a much dirtier game where players have less and less respect for each other.

Is this what we really want?


You want vigilante justice? Do you think that approach will help when the NHL settles the inevitable lawsuit by many many players regarding concussions? Honestly, what will anyone in that courtroom’s rezghom be if they were to read what you posted? Those players all came from the ear of self policing by the way. A huge number of players involved with the lawsuit against the NHL all came from that era. The names posted are the worst case scenario, but it doesn’t mean that there are many players such as Boynton, suffering incredibly. You ignore all of them.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:14 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:It is gone. Now you give the guy a kiss, or the tongue. Happy now??



Are you saying you want fighting brought back?!!

Did any of those names posted earlier strike a chord with you? Does the reality of concussions and it’s impact on players from novice to pro men’s anything to you?

In my opinion your post is a slap in the face to the players listed above and disrespectful of their stories and history of suffering.


Your opinion is of little value to me as it is based on an alarmist point of view.


So you don't put any weight into the suicide or substance abuse related deaths of players who had an enforcement role?

Their deaths don't sound an alarm to you? Do they mean anything to you?

What is your point of view on this topic?

The NFL has been sued and settled. The same is coming soon to the NHL. Players are dying. Players have shared their stories with the public including Boynton, and you ignore all that!!!

Is Boynton being alarmist sharing his story?

I doubt you will be able to post anything of value here.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:25 pm

[quote="Guest"]I disagree with ^^^ you. While it is a great shame that these players have suffered the way they have, lets look at all the other players who have not suffered in such a way, who have also played the game the way these guys did. Worse yet, lets look how the game has changed more for the negative with the severe reduction in fighting.

You know there is a lawsuit in the works against the NHL don't you? Concussions are a huge issue in the NHL. Do 100% of players have to suffer injury to cause us to react and change? Not everyone dies of of smoking, but there is no question it affects your health and kills people. Should we not address it, or say it's a problem because not everyone who smokes dies early?


Now that fighting is all but gone, Slashing, Blindside Hits, Dirty Hits and Head Shots are all on the rise as infractions. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to why? Answer - the player who levies one of these penalties on an opponent has no fear of repercussion from his action. Sitting in the penalty box or paying a fine or a few games suspension does nothing to HURT the perpetrators of such penalties. The removal of fighting from the game actually allows these guys to do more damage to good players and potentially shorten the careers of the better players.

Good points, so why don't the refs call head shots, slashing, hits from behind, intent to injure, cross checking, etc.?? Because they aren't being called doesn't mean your solution means to threaten players and assault them so they "may" be sacred to do it again. Also, it seems to me that most games I watch, their is an immediate fight after every big hit, whether it's legal or not, whether the player was hurt or not, and it has NEVER stopped the hitter from doing it again-EVER.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:25 pm

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Bobby Orr is a great example - his career cut short based on knee injuries that were the result of dirty hits and vicious slashes through the years. Do you think he would have lasted that long in the NHL without the help of some fighters to protect him? Answer - hot a hope.

Orr lived in an era of fighter and bench brawls-clearly it didn't work for him. Your argument for the effectiveness of fighting was just blown apart.


Fear of reprisal is a great motivator and removal of that motivator is resulting in a much dirtier game where players have less and less respect for each other.

Is this what we really want?[/quote]

Do you actually think that Wilson would not hit Karlsson because he may have to fight Reeves? You have to be kidding me.

Is your solution a no holds barred bare knuckle fighting solution? It will be removed by the courts soon enough. I also guess the deaths of the enforcers by their own hands wasn't enough MOTIVATION to change.

You are sadly misguided.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:29 pm

Guest wrote:It will be gone when people dont stand up when a fight starts and cheer, or search you tube for fights or talk about the fight rather than the goals scored at work the next day.

When people dont line up for Wendal Clark's autograph but line up for some dude who got 2 PIMS in his career

Face it some in society love to watch violent events...they are willing to pay after tax dollars to go and watch and businesses are willing to pay people to do it and media is willing to broadcast it and companies are willing to advertise on it

If people who oppose it want something different then they can fund it like any other business venture...just like the WHA challenged the NHL

It will be gone when it ceases to be part of the business case


It will be gone when the courts tell the NHL it will be gone. It will be gone when the NHL has to pay out an ungodly amount of money to players suffering from head trauma. The NHL refuses to deal with it, so some non hockey playing legal type will make the decision for them. Money also talks and fear of future legal action is a strong motivator for those in denial. Call it alarmist all you want. Ignore the reality and you will eventually be told what to do.

To bad common sense and lessons learnt from those suffering or who left us to soon by their own hand weren't enough to bring change.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:35 pm

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Guest wrote:I disagree with ^^^ you. While it is a great shame that these players have suffered the way they have, lets look at all the other players who have not suffered in such a way, who have also played the game the way these guys did. Worse yet, lets look how the game has changed more for the negative with the severe reduction in fighting.

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You want vigilante justice? Do you think that approach will help when the NHL settles the inevitable lawsuit by many many players regarding concussions? Honestly, what will anyone in that courtroom’s rezghom be if they were to read what you posted? Those players all came from the ear of self policing by the way. A huge number of players involved with the lawsuit against the NHL all came from that era. The names posted are the worst case scenario, but it doesn’t mean that there are many players such as Boynton, suffering incredibly. You ignore all of them.


Do you teach Dramatics or just have a flair for failing to comprehend?
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:39 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:It is gone. Now you give the guy a kiss, or the tongue. Happy now??



Are you saying you want fighting brought back?!!

Did any of those names posted earlier strike a chord with you? Does the reality of concussions and it’s impact on players from novice to pro men’s anything to you?

In my opinion your post is a slap in the face to the players listed above and disrespectful of their stories and history of suffering.


Your opinion is of little value to me as it is based on an alarmist point of view.


So you don't put any weight into the suicide or substance abuse related deaths of players who had an enforcement role?

Their deaths don't sound an alarm to you? Do they mean anything to you?

What is your point of view on this topic?

The NFL has been sued and settled. The same is coming soon to the NHL. Players are dying. Players have shared their stories with the public including Boynton, and you ignore all that!!!

Is Boynton being alarmist sharing his story?

I doubt you will be able to post anything of value here.


How do we view these guys who got paid to do a job in comparison to the 1,000s who die of drug overdoses who never once had what these guys got? These guys who chose to play roles and were well compensated for those roles. While it is a shame they have had bad issues since - they are an overwhelming minority and, in comparison to society as a whole really are not an epidemic as your level of alarm would suggest. There is more to life than hockey.

Why are you not so alarmed at the number of police officers who die in the line of duty every year? Is it because they knew the risks they were taking when they signed on for the job? Did you know they HEAVILY outweigh the number of retired pro hockey players who are suffering?

Reality is a good thing to have perspective on.
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:42 pm

Guest wrote:.....

Bobby Orr is a great example - his career cut short based on knee injuries that were the result of dirty hits and vicious slashes through the years. Do you think he would have lasted that long in the NHL without the help of some fighters to protect him? Answer - hot a hope.

Orr lived in an era of fighter and bench brawls-clearly it didn't work for him. Your argument for the effectiveness of fighting was just blown apart.


Fear of reprisal is a great motivator and removal of that motivator is resulting in a much dirtier game where players have less and less respect for each other.

Is this what we really want?


Do you actually think that Wilson would not hit Karlsson because he may have to fight Reeves? You have to be kidding me.

Is your solution a no holds barred bare knuckle fighting solution? It will be removed by the courts soon enough. I also guess the deaths of the enforcers by their own hands wasn't enough MOTIVATION to change.

You are sadly misguided.
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Do you wear special clothing when you Pontificate like that?
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Re: When will fighting be gone???

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:49 pm

See, you are irrelevant to this thread. Not to worry, the NHL will be told what to do soon enough.

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