Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:43 pm



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Guest wrote:Wow, I will try to get through to you again there rager. Yes thinking the game is very important, and most definitely needs to be worked on. The problem is far to many kids at the ages where this should be the main focus of practice, bantam and up, lack the required skills and skating to execute this part. They still aren't good enough skaters and/or have good enough skills to be good at the thinking part. You are the one who is showing your lack of comprehension and probably lack of actual playing experience.

How about an understanding that hockey is not something that is bought or given to the players. Also an understanding that no matter how hard some players try they will never be able to get those skills needed. It just isn't going to happen. You seem to believe otherwise but then you go on to talk about MB AAA tryouts. Get a grip and put an A player on the ice with a AAA player at that age. The biggest difference shows clearly in the thought processes. Sure there are some noticeable differences in skills but not nearly as many as there are in game sense - thought processes.


Not sure what planet you’re from, but here on earth a humans athletisim has no relation to their IQ. So try again.


Great belief, and completely true in the microcosm you present that thought in. In the real world when comparing athletes - completely inaccurate. Obviously your beliefs have taken your kid down a path of less than satisfactory results. Otherwise you would not battle so hard about it.


So fast feet and smooth edging makes players smarter...now we know where you’re coming from.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:17 pm

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Guest wrote:Best players in the world go off the glass and out...even alley-oop passes, when the lanes close up and options are smothered. But if you want to teach your highly skilled players to go 1 on 1 with spinaramas and toedrags to exit the zone, or gain the zone, you go right ahead. Then see what your coach does with that kid that in Bantam. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Truly elite players-those that are playing hockey after minor hockey is done-have elite skating and skills. The coaches at the next level don't care about your little systems in Atom, PW or Bantam. Of course those are "options", the difference is, the elite skater and skills player has more options available to him. The players you coach don't. Simple. The players under your control lack creativity and the ability to get themselves out of a situation when the "system" breaks down. Your players don't have what coaches at the next level want. Your players have deprived of reaching their potential.



Ya, so add 1 hour skills training a week with the team practices and all players will be ELITE and move on to the junior level. HAHAHAHAHAHA

News flash - truly elite players have natural talent and most invest thousands of hours and dollars in private training on and off the ice. No amount of added skills training in team practices will help your kid get there. Sorry.

And coaches at the junior level don’t care about spineramas and toedrags either. They aren’t interested in trick artists. They want kids who can skate, compete, see the ice and KNOW what to do with and without the puck. Elite players you speak of are few and far between, but the ones who are out there are the full package and can do it all with above average skill.


70's coaching available here. Step right up for 70's results folks. ahahahaha
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:20 pm

Guest wrote:Wow, I will try to get through to you again there rager. Yes thinking the game is very important, and most definitely needs to be worked on. The problem is far to many kids at the ages where this should be the main focus of practice, bantam and up, lack the required skills and skating to execute this part. They still aren't good enough skaters and/or have good enough skills to be good at the thinking part. You are the one who is showing your lack of comprehension and probably lack of actual playing experience.

How about an understanding that hockey is not something that is bought or given to the players. Also an understanding that no matter how hard some players try they will never be able to get those skills needed. It just isn't going to happen. You seem to believe otherwise but then you go on to talk about MB AAA tryouts. Get a grip and put an A player on the ice with a AAA player at that age. The biggest difference shows clearly in the thought processes. Sure there are some noticeable differences in skills but not nearly as many as there are in game sense - thought processes.



wow you are beyond backwards-go back and read the posts where you were told you can't get kids to reach their potential. Try to understand pal. Robot hockey is horrible in pretty much every way. Well done
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:22 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Wow, I will try to get through to you again there rager. Yes thinking the game is very important, and most definitely needs to be worked on. The problem is far to many kids at the ages where this should be the main focus of practice, bantam and up, lack the required skills and skating to execute this part. They still aren't good enough skaters and/or have good enough skills to be good at the thinking part. You are the one who is showing your lack of comprehension and probably lack of actual playing experience.

How about an understanding that hockey is not something that is bought or given to the players. Also an understanding that no matter how hard some players try they will never be able to get those skills needed. It just isn't going to happen. You seem to believe otherwise but then you go on to talk about MB AAA tryouts. Get a grip and put an A player on the ice with a AAA player at that age. The biggest difference shows clearly in the thought processes. Sure there are some noticeable differences in skills but not nearly as many as there are in game sense - thought processes.


Not sure what planet you’re from, but here on earth a humans athletisim has no relation to their IQ. So try again.


He doesn't believe in athleticism, and needs to force feed archaic coaching methods long gone. He couldn't define athleticism let alone understand it's needs in hockey player development.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:26 pm


There are approximately 60 Bantam AAA teams in Ontario, which presents a wide range in skill. If you can’t grasp that and the foundation of your argument is that all 14 year old AAA players should be skating the same, then there’s no point in discussing anything with you.


Who said anything about skating the same? You should hire some sort of word smith to post for you as need to focus on your comprehension again. The players don't skate or handle the puck well enough. They have low levels of skill and skating ability because to much time was spent on useless systems. They lack creativity because their ability to make decisions on their own has been compromised by coaches such as yourself. If their system breaks down, which is the goal of the opposing team, they are lost. They lack the athleticism to work their way through new situations, and have a limited vision of the game because they have played pretty much one game. It's sad that you have failed the kids you have tried to coach.

You have no foundation-don't worry about it.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:28 pm

Guest wrote:
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Guest wrote:Wow, I will try to get through to you again there rager. Yes thinking the game is very important, and most definitely needs to be worked on. The problem is far to many kids at the ages where this should be the main focus of practice, bantam and up, lack the required skills and skating to execute this part. They still aren't good enough skaters and/or have good enough skills to be good at the thinking part. You are the one who is showing your lack of comprehension and probably lack of actual playing experience.

How about an understanding that hockey is not something that is bought or given to the players. Also an understanding that no matter how hard some players try they will never be able to get those skills needed. It just isn't going to happen. You seem to believe otherwise but then you go on to talk about MB AAA tryouts. Get a grip and put an A player on the ice with a AAA player at that age. The biggest difference shows clearly in the thought processes. Sure there are some noticeable differences in skills but not nearly as many as there are in game sense - thought processes.


Not sure what planet you’re from, but here on earth a humans athletisim has no relation to their IQ. So try again.


Great belief, and completely true in the microcosm you present that thought in. In the real world when comparing athletes - completely inaccurate. Obviously your beliefs have taken your kid down a path of less than satisfactory results. Otherwise you would not battle so hard about it.


You shouldn't use the term "athletes" you don't know what it means, or how it applies to a hockey player. You should drop out now.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:58 pm

It appears someone got sent home from the Drive Through Window at McD's early tonight.

Wow you sure know how to confuse different posters and truly display yourself.......for the intelligence you are.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:19 pm

Guest wrote:It appears someone got sent home from the Drive Through Window at McD's early tonight.

Wow you sure know how to confuse different posters and truly display yourself.......for the intelligence you are.



Ironically, at least 3 posters were on the same side. Good luck sister, you weren't on the right side. Your lack of motivation to be a relevant coach today has petrified yourself into Don Cherry.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:25 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:It appears someone got sent home from the Drive Through Window at McD's early tonight.

Wow you sure know how to confuse different posters and truly display yourself.......for the intelligence you are.



Ironically, at least 3 posters were on the same side. Good luck sister, you weren't on the right side. Your lack of motivation to be a relevant coach today has petrified yourself into Don Cherry.


The appeal to the "others were against you too"........... LOL

Lamest post on MHT
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:40 pm

Guest wrote:Sure pal. Now I say there were 5 posters on the other side. LOL you're not swift.

Lame-you are from the 70's. Are you going to call me a spaz? Can you dig it?


I don't have to call you a spaz - you show yourself for what you are............
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:50 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Sure pal. Now I say there were 5 posters on the other side. LOL you're not swift.

Lame-you are from the 70's. Are you going to call me a spaz? Can you dig it?


I don't have to call you a spaz - you show yourself for what you are............



The only thing we know for sure is that you are stuck in the past and aren't a good choice for parents to get their kids to reach their potential.

ahaha
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:52 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Sure pal. Now I say there were 5 posters on the other side. LOL you're not swift.

Lame-you are from the 70's. Are you going to call me a spaz? Can you dig it?


I don't have to call you a spaz - you show yourself for what you are............



The only thing we know for sure is that you are stuck in the past and aren't a good choice for parents to get their kids to reach their potential.

ahaha


The only thing you really KNOW is your own name and how to power up your lack of intelligence. Only a fool would cast aspersions at a person they have never met and know nothing about.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:03 pm

Oh and you haven't....meh,
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:40 am

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Best players in the world go off the glass and out...even alley-oop passes, when the lanes close up and options are smothered. But if you want to teach your highly skilled players to go 1 on 1 with spinaramas and toedrags to exit the zone, or gain the zone, you go right ahead. Then see what your coach does with that kid that in Bantam. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Depending on the situation. The better skater or "circus skater" will get to the puck sooner, win it cleaner, create more space and not HAVE TO go glass and out to toss the puck to the opposing team because their dynamicism will allow them to move the puck before the passing lanes close.

Why do you equate circus skater with selfish play? That's the problem. It doesn't matter if the child is a great skater if they are selfish. Being able to do all the tricks is great. That helps them develop better control. If they can't learn when to do the tricks and when not to - that's on both the player and the coach.

Benching kids works pretty well. It happens far too infrequently in my opinion. Coaches tend to bench kids based on the results not on the decision. You get beat - you get benched. You make bad decisions - but they doesn't immediately harm your team (ie. you lose the puck over an over - but it's not directly in front of the net) and you are a "top kid" - you are not benched. Some coaches are fine with certain players taking bad angled shots, losing the puck going through people 8 times in a game because that's 8 of 9 and they get a goal. That's bad coaching.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:59 pm

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Best players in the world go off the glass and out...even alley-oop passes, when the lanes close up and options are smothered. --- Then see what your coach does with that kid that in Bantam. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Depending on the situation. The better skater or "circus skater" will get to the puck sooner, win it cleaner, create more space and not HAVE TO go glass and out to toss the puck to the opposing team because their dynamicism will allow them to move the puck before the passing lanes close.

Why do you equate circus skater with selfish play?That's the problem. It doesn't matter if the child is a great skater if they are selfish. Being able to do all the tricks is great. That helps them develop better control. If they can't learn when to do the tricks and when not to - that's on both the player and the coach.



This particular discussion is related to coaches focusing on INDIVIDUAL SKILLS. The video posted was exactly that, not a single player to player pass. The person who is advocating the video feels that structure / systems / team play should be ignored until the older ages...and when kids are skilled enough, they will automatically be smart enough to understand proper strategy. He expects the ELITE TYKES to toedrag when exiting the zone because it promotes creativity...and feels they will do so with ease because they will be light years ahead of all the other kids who play for coaches that teach team play instead of individual skills.

There is so much for these kids to learn and they should continually experience all aspects of the game in the right doses and at the right level. Putting all the eggs in the "skills basket" for the first 6 years is ridiculous. The last thing any coach wants is a team of skilled Minor Bantam players, who know nothing about hockey.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:31 pm

^^^^^and that’s why hockey development is far behind what other sports are doing.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:57 pm

Guest wrote:^^^^^and that’s why hockey development is far behind what other sports are doing.


What sport are you thinking of?
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:45 am

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Guest wrote:^^^^^and that’s why hockey development is far behind what other sports are doing.


What sport are you thinking of?



Name one who doesn’t apply.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:56 am

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Guest wrote:^^^^^and that’s why hockey development is far behind what other sports are doing.


What sport are you thinking of?



Name one who doesn’t apply.


Go ahead - name them.

Please say Soccer. I love that argument.

Canadian Soccer has been to the World Cup ONCE - lost by a total score of 5 - 0 - get the most funding from the Canadian Government and are ranked 59th in the world. Today Iceland just embarrassed the crap out of Canadian Soccer with their first World Cup appearance.......

How does Canada do in Hockey again...............Where are we in world rankings? LMFAO

But the development in Soccer is far greater than hockey!! LMAO!!!!

You're just an alarmist who battles from ridiculous positions because you don't know how to understand when you are being out thought, out matched and obviously just acting in an eristic manner to prove your complete lack of intelligence.
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Re: Who is more valuable-team coach or skills/skating coach?

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:54 pm

Guest wrote:^^^^^and that’s why hockey development is far behind what other sports are doing.


Like it or not, the evolution of hockey has resulted in highly skilled players and a more systematic game. Focusing on skills and ignoring strategy is the sales pitch of a skills instructor selling his business or a dad who loves watching his kid jump through hoops and knows nothing about the actual game. These days PW players are expected to know how to play their position, more so than in the 70's. Get with the times or be left behind.


“Today’s game is more systematic now,…we are not losing anything with imagination and creativity, the game is better because the players are better.”

“The game has gotten bigger and better worldwide….our players in Canada are still getting better…and can dominate tournaments…we’re still feeding the NHL with some of the best players ever.”

– Wayne Gretzky –

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